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		<title>By: Ken Eastburn</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-297</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be wrong, but it seemed that the &quot;sharing the Gospel&quot; question was an indicator of their personal evangelism, not what they had said from the pulpit.  BTW, I wasn&#039;t meaning to pick on Southern Baptists, I just happened to the see the study and found it interesting....I actually think the results would be typical for pastors in quite a few denominations and even non-denominational churches.

I do think you&#039;re right, not about the pastor being seen as the professional, per se, but about the worrying of the growth of the church.  We are a people completely and utterly fascinated with numbers and this is certainly not limited to the pastors.  In fact, a lot of times, it seems this comes from the elders and laity as well.

Will we ever be free of the grip of numbers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong, but it seemed that the &#8220;sharing the Gospel&#8221; question was an indicator of their personal evangelism, not what they had said from the pulpit.  BTW, I wasn&#8217;t meaning to pick on Southern Baptists, I just happened to the see the study and found it interesting&#8230;.I actually think the results would be typical for pastors in quite a few denominations and even non-denominational churches.</p>
<p>I do think you&#8217;re right, not about the pastor being seen as the professional, per se, but about the worrying of the growth of the church.  We are a people completely and utterly fascinated with numbers and this is certainly not limited to the pastors.  In fact, a lot of times, it seems this comes from the elders and laity as well.</p>
<p>Will we ever be free of the grip of numbers?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Eastburn</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Eastburn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm...not sure how it took on this meaning, I just know that it did.  I&#039;m fairly confident, however, that it was not limited to California, non-denominational churches, or megachurches.

Regardless, I&#039;m grateful for the shift in thinking and think that it has been helpful for a lot of people to be able to identify singing at church is just one small part of their worship to God...and perhaps, even, one of the least significant parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;not sure how it took on this meaning, I just know that it did.  I&#8217;m fairly confident, however, that it was not limited to California, non-denominational churches, or megachurches.</p>
<p>Regardless, I&#8217;m grateful for the shift in thinking and think that it has been helpful for a lot of people to be able to identify singing at church is just one small part of their worship to God&#8230;and perhaps, even, one of the least significant parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Eastburn</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Eastburn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your response, Jeff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response, Jeff!</p>
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		<title>By: MDSF</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-293</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally, on to your major point here:

I believe this is an end product of the very idea that there is such a thing as a professional pastorate; I&#039;ve repeatedly heard the complaint from the pulpit in the post-church-growth era that just because pastors are paid it doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;re exclusively responsible for the growth of the church.

I&#039;m tempted to unwind the problem in a different way: the problem isn&#039;t that the people in the pews aren&#039;t doing what the professional in the pulpit is telling them to do; the problem is that the pastor is seen as a professional, like a doctor or a lawyer, hired to perform a particular service, including in this case worrying about keeping the church organization functioning and growing, rather than being just one of the sinners, serving as part of the Body.

I don&#039;t know if it is fair to pick on the Southern Baptists in particular, but they&#039;re the ones facing the demographic crisis, which is why they&#039;re doing all this self-study. I&#039;d be interested to see how much overlap there is between the experiences described in the last two bullets above: how much &quot;sharing the Gospel&quot; (whatever that means) was actually done one-on-one, with someone they consider a peer or a friend, and how much of it was &quot;declaring&quot; from a position of authority and from a safe distance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, on to your major point here:</p>
<p>I believe this is an end product of the very idea that there is such a thing as a professional pastorate; I&#8217;ve repeatedly heard the complaint from the pulpit in the post-church-growth era that just because pastors are paid it doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;re exclusively responsible for the growth of the church.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to unwind the problem in a different way: the problem isn&#8217;t that the people in the pews aren&#8217;t doing what the professional in the pulpit is telling them to do; the problem is that the pastor is seen as a professional, like a doctor or a lawyer, hired to perform a particular service, including in this case worrying about keeping the church organization functioning and growing, rather than being just one of the sinners, serving as part of the Body.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it is fair to pick on the Southern Baptists in particular, but they&#8217;re the ones facing the demographic crisis, which is why they&#8217;re doing all this self-study. I&#8217;d be interested to see how much overlap there is between the experiences described in the last two bullets above: how much &#8220;sharing the Gospel&#8221; (whatever that means) was actually done one-on-one, with someone they consider a peer or a friend, and how much of it was &#8220;declaring&#8221; from a position of authority and from a safe distance.</p>
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		<title>By: MDSF</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-292</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken --

How did the word &quot;worship&quot; take on the Chris-Tomlin-related meaning you mention above?

I spent about ten years completely out of church between 1990 and 2000 or thereabouts; when I left congregational singing was still &quot;singing&quot; and when I got back it had become &quot;worship.&quot;

Was this originally a California thing? A non-denominational thing? A megachurch thing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8211;</p>
<p>How did the word &#8220;worship&#8221; take on the Chris-Tomlin-related meaning you mention above?</p>
<p>I spent about ten years completely out of church between 1990 and 2000 or thereabouts; when I left congregational singing was still &#8220;singing&#8221; and when I got back it had become &#8220;worship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was this originally a California thing? A non-denominational thing? A megachurch thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff J</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi - I came to this blog through the post on CT about house churches.  I have been back and forth on that one for years.  Liked this thread better.

Another way to look at evangelism that I have come to understand more in recent months, is in conjunction with spirituall gifts (charisma). When based soley on our human understanding, evangelism tends to end up lookng a lot like the stuff mentioned in that poll of SB pastors: programs that are well intentioned but often devolving into works-based substitutes for real movements of God.

However, when God&#039;s grace flows through us as spiritual gifts, things really start to happen: preachers preach the word and people are born again; prophecy is spoken and folks heart&#039;s just melt and great healing takes place; teachers teach and the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin and there is great repentance; their is a healing or mirical and God&#039;s Kingdom breaks through to this world in a way that draws people to Christ.

I am not saying that we should sit back and wait for God to act.  we should plan and strategize and use whatever brains God gave us to do things in the best way possible.  But God has given us some fantastic tools with which to do this stuff and for the most part I don&#039;t see the western church taking advatage of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I came to this blog through the post on CT about house churches.  I have been back and forth on that one for years.  Liked this thread better.</p>
<p>Another way to look at evangelism that I have come to understand more in recent months, is in conjunction with spirituall gifts (charisma). When based soley on our human understanding, evangelism tends to end up lookng a lot like the stuff mentioned in that poll of SB pastors: programs that are well intentioned but often devolving into works-based substitutes for real movements of God.</p>
<p>However, when God&#8217;s grace flows through us as spiritual gifts, things really start to happen: preachers preach the word and people are born again; prophecy is spoken and folks heart&#8217;s just melt and great healing takes place; teachers teach and the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin and there is great repentance; their is a healing or mirical and God&#8217;s Kingdom breaks through to this world in a way that draws people to Christ.</p>
<p>I am not saying that we should sit back and wait for God to act.  we should plan and strategize and use whatever brains God gave us to do things in the best way possible.  But God has given us some fantastic tools with which to do this stuff and for the most part I don&#8217;t see the western church taking advatage of it.</p>
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		<title>By: MDSF</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-287</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that this is a tangent, but Mark Galli at Christianity Today dealt with the Francis of Assisi quote back in May:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/mayweb-only/120-42.0.html

His article got play that seemed to my amateur eyes to vary according to whether people liked the quote or not, pretty much along deeds/creeds lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that this is a tangent, but Mark Galli at Christianity Today dealt with the Francis of Assisi quote back in May:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/mayweb-only/120-42.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/mayweb-only/120-42.0.html</a></p>
<p>His article got play that seemed to my amateur eyes to vary according to whether people liked the quote or not, pretty much along deeds/creeds lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Garner</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Someone can easily do &quot;good works&quot; but without a foundation of the Word...there&#039;s no eternal value to those efforts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Someone can easily do &#8220;good works&#8221; but without a foundation of the Word&#8230;there&#8217;s no eternal value to those efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Eastburn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Eastburn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Rick.  Great blog post, by the way.  The only caveat I would include (as I did in this post) is that Christian evangelism is about the whole of our lives lived to God&#039;s glory...and that includes both practicing and preaching.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rick.  Great blog post, by the way.  The only caveat I would include (as I did in this post) is that Christian evangelism is about the whole of our lives lived to God&#8217;s glory&#8230;and that includes both practicing and preaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Garner</title>
		<link>http://leavethebuildingblog.com/2009/12/15/what-is-evangelism/#comment-281</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Ken. You&#039;ve really articulated a point that is somewhat a &quot;not seeing the forest for the trees moment&quot; for many Christians. We&#039;re so close and yet so far from experiencing this faith journey we&#039;re all on.

I feel an example of what you&#039;re talking about can be found in my latest post here:  http://richardtgarner.blogspot.com/2009/12/renewing-stars-faith.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ken. You&#8217;ve really articulated a point that is somewhat a &#8220;not seeing the forest for the trees moment&#8221; for many Christians. We&#8217;re so close and yet so far from experiencing this faith journey we&#8217;re all on.</p>
<p>I feel an example of what you&#8217;re talking about can be found in my latest post here:  <a href="http://richardtgarner.blogspot.com/2009/12/renewing-stars-faith.html" rel="nofollow">http://richardtgarner.blogspot.com/2009/12/renewing-stars-faith.html</a></p>
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